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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby crockie » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 1:00 pm

Casper is another Weim who as the run of the house :D

We have had him from when he was 10 weeks old and he has never been crate trained.

We used to shut him in the utility room when we went out but he has had the run of the house now for about a year, he is now 3.5.

Whilst we are out Casper just takes himself off to bed (usually on our bed or daughters) and we have never come home to any destruction or stolen items :-s:

Little sausage is totally different when we get home though, then anything is fair game and I spend half my time retrieving all kinds of stolen booty :rwl: :rwl: :rwl:
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Fogdog » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 1:48 pm

crockie wrote:Casper is another Weim who as the run of the house :D
Little sausage is totally different when we get home though, then anything is fair game and I spend half my time retrieving all kinds of stolen booty :rwl: :rwl: :rwl:


"Liittle sausage" obviously found out quite early on that the best way to get your attention when you return to your house with loads of shopping to unpack, kids to peel out of their anoraks etc., he only had to nick something and zoom around with it. That's precisely why I said
Fogdog wrote: ............always as an attention-seeking gambit so we learned to say and do absolutely nothing if we came home and found she'd chewed something.

This total lack of response has always been my weapon of choice. No amount of yelling works on a Weim


It is probably the most important skill a new Weim-owner can learn...... remove item a.s.a.p. if it's poisonous, otherwise just ignore it. The dog will drop the item as soon as he realises that it holds no interest or importance for you and then, and only then, do you call the dog for its welcome home cuddle.

Remember the dog wants the welcome home cuddle much more than the stolen item!

:evil: I have to admit this is difficult if the item is a beloved Barbie 'n Ken belonging to visiting child! :-] Julies!
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby meggy » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 2:17 pm

Oscar now 7 months has never been crated and he has been great. The pair of them normally get run of the hall and kitchen and on the odd occasion the livingroom. Have to shut the curtains in there tho as Meg would bark at every passerby :roll: Mines also will thief if given the opportunity the good thing is it makes me extremely tidy they only time they have done anything wrong is when ive been careless enough to leave edibles on the worksurfaces. The worst was a bag of sugar :evil: it was everywhere to make things worse they had licked the whole kitchen floor. It took 7 washes to get rid of the stick. I am now extra extra carefull when I go out and leave them :clap:
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby clairegamble » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 4:21 pm

Thanks very much for all your comments :D
I'm very pleased to hear that most of you have either never used the crate or dispensed with it at about a similar age to what Bodhi is now, and its all been fine. Sorry to hear about Enzo though, that must have been an awful shock, at least your OH acted quickly and was able to save him. Thats one of the things that worries me most, we will need to go round the house with a fine toothcomb to ensure that he can't get to any cables or pull anything down on himself. At least the house will always be tidy :-] :-]
I so cant wait now until we can just leave him asleep on the settee, he will be so much more happier and so will we be about leaving him too /love/ /love/ /love/
I know he doesnt like it and i really hate having to leave him in there, but as long as i can see that its only for possibly another month or so (hopefully less depending on how much time we can put into building his alone time up) then its bearable for the time being. I swear when he looks at me just before he has to go in his crate, his expression is saying "please mummy don't make me go in there, if you let me stay here i will be good I promise"!
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Enzo's Butler » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 4:30 pm

When I first started leaving Enzo I would leave him a small cardboard box with goodies in and put his kong in there, too. He would find biscuits wrapped in newspaper and I would come home to find shredded cardboard all over the floor, but it was so much better than wood from the bed.

Rossi can't wait to get me out of the door so he can have his biscuit and Enzo sometimes can't even be bothered to get off the bed to come down for his. I do get greeted with the nearest thing he can find on the floor, though, usually the towel I keep in the kitchen to mop up the drool. Enzo parades around with it in his mouth telling me off. :lol:
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby speediepup » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 8:13 pm

Must admit Zola was and never really is any problem being left. His alone time was 3 hours am and 3 hours pm 3 days a week from 9 weeks old. That was life and he thrived on it.

Today - been a bad doggy parent again - needs must - I have no dog walker atm and I had to work in Southampton today. Zola and Belle were fed at 7, let out, told to go for a wee at 7.30 when I left for work and then left all day in the house until Dom got in at 5. They have not been and nor will they be walked today.........that's life - tomorrow they have me for a whole morning of walking and agility.

Again he came home to 2 dogs on the sofa. Belle got up and went out and Zola just carried on sleeping!!!!


OK so they went ballistic when I got home but that is because they missed me :-s: :-s: :-s:
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Fogdog » Mon Mar 8th, 2010 9:14 pm

Enzo's Butler wrote:When I first started leaving Enzo I would leave him a small cardboard box with goodies in and put his kong in there, too. He would find biscuits wrapped in newspaper and I would come home to find shredded cardboard all over the floor, but it was so much better than wood from the bed.

Rossi can't wait to get me out of the door so he can have his biscuit and Enzo sometimes can't even be bothered to get off the bed to come down for his. I do get greeted with the nearest thing he can find on the floor, though, usually the towel I keep in the kitchen to mop up the drool. Enzo parades around with it in his mouth telling me off. :lol:


Please note I am NOT saying Sarah is wrong to have used a 'small cardboard box' with goodies in.... or even a small cardboard anything which could be chewed...... but do be aware that to a Weim any cardboard box is much like another.

So when we let Gulliver chew cardboard boxes....it left us with a pup who chewed the Kelloggs box! and the cereal was, to him, an added bonus!! :oops: :shock:
We learned to decant all cereal etc. to other containers and keep these UP HIGH where they were not a temptation.

BTW if you haven't got a local sweetie shop with large storage jars to give away [who am I kidding, ours charges £3 each even for the grotty plastic ones] you may find your local chippie is a good source. Our local fish 'n chip shop sells enormous gherkins from 5lt. jars which make ace storage containers for biscuits, cereals etc. and they give them away!
Trick is to go in and order f+ch..... ask nicely when they think the jar will be emptied 'cos they have a good idea of how long each one lasts, and if you're lucky they'll say "we've got two here..." You need to catch them just before recycling day!
Charity shops often have large tins - our flour etc. is in a vintage Saxa salt tin w hich is over a foot high and about 8" square, holds two large packs of flour.
Both jars and tins are sufficiently odour-proof to deter most Weims - tupperware is good but an expensive and chewable option IME!
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Enzo's Butler » Tue Mar 9th, 2010 11:45 am

Fogdog wrote:Please note I am NOT saying Sarah is wrong to have used a 'small cardboard box' with goodies in.... or even a small cardboard anything which could be chewed...... but do be aware that to a Weim any cardboard box is much like another.

So when we let Gulliver chew cardboard boxes....it left us with a pup who chewed the Kelloggs box! and the cereal was, to him, an added bonus!! :oops: :shock:
We learned to decant all cereal etc. to other containers and keep these UP HIGH where they were not a temptation.

:-] Where did you keep your cereal?
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Fogdog » Tue Mar 9th, 2010 1:59 pm

Enzo's Butler wrote:
Fogdog wrote:So when we let Gulliver chew cardboard boxes....it left us with a pup who chewed the Kelloggs box! and the cereal was, to him, an added bonus!! :oops: :shock:
We learned to decant all cereal etc. to other containers and keep these UP HIGH where they were not a temptation.

:-] Where did you keep your cereal?


circa Gulliver RIP : we had four 16"high sweetie jars, Cornflakes, my home-made muesli, Spaghetti and Arborio rice.
All came from a sweet shop and were real glass ones - I was sure the cornflakes retained a whiff of lemon sherbets for months!
By the time we moved here, one of the lids had bust and we were so chuffed to find one that fitted at the boot fair we paid a whole £2 for it!!
Then we discovered a rich vein of reject pickle jars from our lovely Turkish-owned local chippie.... and the 5 litre size is actually better for most cereal packs - exactly fits one box of Cinnamon Grahams which are BH's favourites.
Two such jars hold the large size of cornflakes, one holds a small sack of JWB cat biscuits.......

Oh, and BTW if you do find a chippie who will part with the big jars you'll need to fill the lids with a teaspoonful of bicarbonate of soda, and fill with water and leave overnight.... this removes the taint of vinegar from the rubber seal inside the lid!
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Enzo's Butler » Tue Mar 9th, 2010 2:02 pm

Sorry, I meant where did you keep a box of Kellog's cereal that Gulliver could get to? Are my two just too daft to open the kitchen door and then cupboard doors? I'm quite glad they are!
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Fogdog » Tue Mar 9th, 2010 2:47 pm

We bought a delapidated London terraced house in 1976 for less than a tenth of its 'normal' price...... no, it wasn't that much of a bargain! It had half a roof, 4 out of 5 windows were broken, more than 50% of the floorboards were rotten, it had an outside loo.... a Cypriot ice-cream salesman and his wife and two daughters occupied half of it and there had been nine tenants!!!
We removed 11 gas meters, 14 electricity meters, and most of the wooden parts. We treated the dry rot, and cut out the wet rot.
We re-roofed it. We built a three-storey extension for our bathroom and kitchen, and a kitchen to the upper maisonette. We couldn't afford to own the whole thing so we divided it into two maisonettes, lived in the lower one and sold a 99-yr. lease on the upper one. We did nearly all the work ourselves, at night after a full day in the office and every weekend for three years.
I get really angry with people who think we're well off because it just happened. We're financially secure because we nearly killed ourselves fixing up that first house! I did the majority of the wiring [supervised by a trained electrician from a company I'd worked for] and I am proud to say I installed the boiler!! I was younger then.

But came the day when the breeder rang and said "can you take him now? I know it's a week or two earlier than usual but he's SO big, and his mum doesn't like him. He could turn into a bully if he remains with siblings who are so much smaller than him" and so
We moved in to a single room in the basement, overlooking the rear patio, with the concrete steps to the garden at ground floor level barely set. We had two mattresses on the floor, my grandmother's 1930's gramophone as a "sideboard", two T-chests on their sides with clothes and some food, a borrowed fridge, no cooker and a cardboard box for Gulliver!
He slept in our arms when he learned to tip the cardboard box over and fall out. He ate his puppy food and any part of our takeaways he could get, and we both took a fortnight off "work" and worked flat out to make more rooms habitable.
Took us very little time indeed to learn to put everything up high - shelves either side of the fireplace in that one room were the first thing we put up. It was early August and hot weather so that was a blessing.

We'd dug out the basement and totally renewed the floors on top of new foundations, newly underpinned party walls, etc. with concrete and we'd sealed the concrete with "Bourneseal" - which is what the Gents public loos are normally floored with - it looks like brown glass and withstands acid, pee, poo, etc. so that was brilliant for housetraining.

Gully was six months old when our first carpets were laid on Christmas Eve that year - the nice carpetlayer said he couldn't come till the New Year 'cos he was running late and had all his kids' pressies to wrap. So I chatted him up (I was a slim 32 yr. old then!) and I wrapped the pressies while he laid the carpets. Gully rolled over and over and over like a kid in the snow with delight at the wall-to-wall 'bed'!!

Who forgot to put the cornflakes away? BH of course [I don't like them]..... and he went without brekkie for a week as a result 'cos our budget was too tight to simply replace them!!!

And by the time of his first birthday, Gulliver could [and sometimes did] open any door he wanted. He could even turn a china ball-shaped handle with his teeth. He was way too intelligent for his own good and we were stupid, proud, newbie Weim fans. I actually taught him to turn his head 90 degrees to one side before taking the doorhandle in his teeth and turning his head, and once he'd mastered one, he worked others out for himself.

Fortunately he also learned the meaning of the word "No!" and would stop any activity if asked. He was my steep learning curve and there's not much I'd do differently today if it was with a dog like him.... a gentle giant.
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Re: Home alone training (without crate!)

Postby Lisa Coull » Tue Mar 9th, 2010 9:25 pm

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